Some feedback to ATR's recent blog on labels via social media (Not edited by ATR).
#1 The awareness gig has failed so it's a free for all, they are all making it up to suit, we don't know really who it suits but there are people making money out of awareness, even if their message is biased and whatever. Logic suggests we ignore them till they go away, but the problem is they approach support systems with their messages and then we find issues getting what we need. Given everyone has own idea of what they need is it even remotely possible awareness can work at all?
#2 I'm totally deaf I was born without eardrums many a time I have been called deaf and dumb that's not true I can talk took me ten years to learn I can lip read I can sign and I can shout back at people I went on to have a successful career as a lawyer.
#3 So the 'Deaf' community 'Need' the label? It's a community essential? I can understand frustration deaf people can frustrate me too, their activists, in particular, I can do without. I don't understand a desire to be someone else. I'm deaf too but I don't see a need to capitalise it, Is there some advantage in doing that? It seems to create more divisions than it unites people.
#4 The trouble is there is so many misconceptions about deafness are you deaf and dumb no it's our hearing that's the problem not out voice I was once asked if I could hear myself think I don't need any labels I have enough confidence in myself to rise above the comments I'm deaf not stupid
#5 As a deaf person (both ears), and with a mother and grandmother deaf too, none of whom ever signed or went to a deaf school/club or socialised with them, I speak well I get called a fraud BY deaf people so awareness like charity needs to start closer to home I feel. I have confidence too so I don't need a label or to align with others which would label me by default. Confidence or lack of it is our real issue, hearing loss isn't. The deaf community thing looks more like 'safety in numbers' to me, permanently on the defensive when there is no reason for that other than compromise is not an option for them.
#6 Yep, but I don't think it helps them to break out of their situation much it offers a cosy alternative to it. Perhaps they should abandon a desire to be included though because by default they prefer not to be, they are happy where they are apparently. You can't be in it AND out of it, inclusion doesn't work like that.
#7 People can be quick to judge I found when I was in court other lawyers would turn their backs so I couldn't see what they were saying I tended to be ignored in chambers and the dining room one day I got pissed off stood on a chair and yelled quiet then I told them how ignorant and stuck up they were I really laid into them I told them I was deaf, not stupid I got applause and more respect from them after that
#8 I like to say I'm hearing impaired because when you say you're HOH, people just think you're being facetious
# 9 And the deaf will oppose you on that too, it's all pointless labelling.
#10 It is just a preference for how one wants to define themselves. The issue is.... people may define themselves one way. But if another tries to define a person, that is where conflict is created.
#11 am starting to feel we all have different paths in our hearing loss world(s). And destiny was the guiding light to which path we were designed to follow.
# 12 Right or wrong, I can't hide the fact I have a hearing loss, that I am hearing impaired, floating in a hearing world that does not always allow me entrance. And I float in around a deaf world who does not always allow me entrance.
# 13 I really could care less what they think... I say what I say based on trial and error and knowing what gets the point across the easiest. The deaf have their own struggles that we do not understand and we have our own that they do not.
#14 The issue is they are better at making that point and we, do not seem bothered about making ours much. The fact remains at least in the UK, there has not been a viable or national HoH campaign run in the last 15 years that has highlighted our need, or succeded, our primary success was getting subtitles to the TV, we did that the deaf didn't. This has given others a 'free run' at the systems to make their point, our apathy is/was our undoing.
#15 Perhaps we only have ourselves to blame if nothing gets done? I'm not a fan either of using others tactics blaming everyone hearing either, it's all so childish and petty, but essentially doesn't advance anything.
#16 We appear to be talking our own individual needs to the extent we don't unite for the common good. I've read nothing here that suggests we are all united, lots of posts (Mine included!), supporting the individual approach to need too. I'm a victim as are others here of feeling only I know best what I need. In retrospect, this is ignoring others.
#17 I just felt supporting issues that don't apply to me pretty pointless too, especially as other areas were intent on doing their own thing anyway.
#18 The collective approach the 'deaf' use is their strength, has anyone seen a few 100 HoH on the march anywhere? If we really do want to move forward and get rid of all these silly labels and ID angst-ridden things that pander to our insecurity then we have to act collectively too, I'd stick my neck out and suggest the Hard of Hearing non-signing areas are never going to do that :(
#19 Observing USA areas it's a sham there too, few HoH issues get aired without an ASL using person doing it. Like the UK the 'Deaf & HoH' remit is there to suggest inclusivity or to get funding, but its inclusivity on paper only, we are both areas, going our own way.
#20 This suggests 'every man/woman for themselves' rather than a unity of people with hearing loss, but where areas go for the same access then we see concern raised and the twain not meeting. There is a mutual 'standoff' between Deaf and Hard of Hearing when we need to confront and clear the air, where that was tried the gloves really came off and hostility was very apparent, I don't know what the answer is, perhaps ATR owner has a point? Just get rid of the fake remit of the 'Deaf & HoH' and put clear water between the two primary areas of hearing loss?
#21 That site suggests we discriminate against the Deaf community!!
#22 I don't think so, as I read it, ATR just wants to clarify need and the owner sees dividing the two areas so everyone knows who needs what, (And who that need applies to), as the only logical way of doing it, given they/we won't unite. It's maybe a cry in the dark really, there is no sign (No pun intended), HoH want unity nor the Deaf... who can make their point without anyone else.