Friday, 25 September 2020
"Is it true some deaf using BSL are claiming near £900 per week?"
"It depends on their requirements. Some need full-time support, others need note-takers, etc. It varies."
"Is that not inefficient and ineffective access and use of support? It's not really inclusion, and It is doubtful the job would pay that as a wage isn't it?"
" I should cocoa! In my time a request for support to work IN the workplace, was laughed out of the jobcentre. 'If you cannot work alone and follow, you are no use to man or beast..' was what they said to me, and one employer I applied to a job for I was struggling to follow, phoned the jobcentre mid-interview he said "What is the idea sending these deaf idiots to me for a job? I'm a businessman not a bloody social worker..." I returned to the jobcentre to get a telling off and they said I should try harder to listen.."
"I think many older deaf are staggered such support is even there and quite a few who would not even ask for it and be embarrassed, deaf would stick out in the workplace like a sore thumb, they would know their co-workers are talking to their help not them."
"Had I been offered this money for a job I would rather have used it to be self-employed and set myself up, not attend the workplace with people speaking for me, I could never do that."
"Deaf pride? doesn't pay the rent.."
"True, an employer could just hire your support and cut you out altogether and less hassle or expense, couldn't he? lol."
"Using the money to teach and train deaf to communicate in more effective ways would be better. Don't they understand mainstream doesn't use sign language?"
"It's the rights gig isn't it? I understand the rights bit, but this isn't access or support to advance in any real terms is it? it just shows deaf people as needing very expensive support and dependent on people, which must be undermining 'we can do everything but hear' message."
"They cannot without considerable help which in this topic issue is out of all access proportion, it's also untrue all deaf can claim it as well. Only a very few can and then the employer has to start contributing, they, dump you then, and take on another deafie until their financial support runs out because the allowances is temporary, most employers strapped for skilled staff etc won't even entertain someone low skilled and deaf as well, not even for £900 a week, nor for that matter will the state offer low skilled such funding or help, it wouldn't make sense."
"Employers want people qualified for the job, that applies to deaf or hearing applicants, they aren't charities, the poor literacy of some deaf people, lack of skill sets, and unawareness of them doesn't help either, their educators need educating!"
"Nobody is going to throw money 3 or 4 times over and above what they job would pay anyway, it would be for highly skilled deaf or those arty-farty deaf via disability funding etc not a deafie stacking shelves or sweeping floors."
"That is not going to change deaf inclusion either, because the state is financing dependency, not inclusion, instead of taking steps to address abysmal education they receive and crazy opposition to acquiring the essential skills they need to avoid reliance on others. It just primes them for isolation and more dependency."
"Now they want a BSL Act to drive their point home?"
" The state are addressing the results not the cause."
" Nice earners for non-productive deaf arts and such, who can invent their own job! or mentors and advisors who have no skills to pass on except they know sign language, and Lloyd George knew Beethoven or something, but little use to others who need qualifications and more effective communications. "
"They also need help so probably claiming it as well! It's a kind of madness."
"COVID is forcing everyone hearing and deaf to re-adjust, it's pointless to hark back to a deaf system that never worked anyway, run by people who also need help to do it."
"The absolute irony is those most advocating a stand-alone BSL way of life succeed because they have alternatives to it, those options should be for all deaf, not an elite few faffing about for own egotistical reasons, it's the tail wagging the dog.
"Nothing will change, hearing are to blame etc.."
Thursday, 24 September 2020
It's refreshing reading recently someone has realised 'recognition' of BSL did not include rights as such, just 'recognised some deaf used sign language. Most of the misunderstanding regarding deaf rights came from the British Deaf Association who stated the European Union had forced the UK government to recognise sign language and thus legal entitlement followed.
The reality is that while the UK government accepted the EU suggestions (The EU at that time recognised 37 other minority languages too), the only 'legal' right that followed was deaf having interpreters to access state and other essential systems. Those didn't really include schools as each according to need is the rule.
There was never a commitment to enforce BSL in schools and it is doubtful that can happen now. Least of all as a sole means. A BSL act won't help much if the professionals needed to make it work don't get trained up first either.
For example, more trained teachers for the deaf, support in classrooms (which needs to be via note-taking and lip-spoken support as well), as all children are different in ability and need requirement. A viable awareness of the nation's language and written grammar is a must too. A BSL Act would tend to push bias support towards one format only and accompanied by demands for own grammar and such which is contrary to the national curriculum. Given fewer deaf children are around compared with years ago, the tuition base would have to be re-established and retrained too. More so if BSL was to be the format used.
If a BSL Act meant deaf children in classrooms were divided by decibel or format that would undermine the deaf systems too and create have and have nots, it goes without stating apart from the state, parents pretty much decide what happens nobody else. Deaf activism has repeatedly attacked parents for CI's and mainstreaming as it is, so not done their cause much good as a result.
The fact remains no BSL lobby area is going to get to choose how deaf are to be educated, it's all relative given they should be demanding the training up of the people to make it happen. There are allegedly 50,000 or more deaf BSL users, regardless if there is truth or not in those claims, only 1 deaf adult sign user in 166 has access to an interpreter. It's far from clear from those figures where the demand actually is. If a BSL Act demands a BSL school and BSL for adults, it is blatantly obvious the support isn't going to be there to make it happen and demands are going to be rote for years with little result.
What it 'might' do is give more jobs to deaf people, but they still are not the pros needed to educate unless it is indoctrination approaches to culture etc. For deaf to be involved IN the educational areas of deaf children requires skills a lot just don't have and aren't being taught to acquire. They know this, and are demanding the lowering of the academic bar via cultural right, so they can get involved, but where does that leave the deaf child? Being taught by people who cannot access mainstream themselves, have difficulty reading, and need support? Cannot teach them what they need to know?
Parents may well have a differing view of that. Teaching any child with a serious disability issue requires quite high care and academic and adaptability skills, not just an ability to use BSL. Technology has undermined BSL to a huge degree (Lip-reading too), and the writing on the wall was there via '888' (UK), along with subtitling/captions that have freed up the deaf in reality, and both still relegate sign language to minority status. Those who manage bilinguality know which side their format bread is buttered on and it isn't BSL.
If deaf activism worked towards inclusion and engagement instead of separatism and going it alone, then deaf would have a future and not doomed to repeat the mistakes of an already proven failure of dedicated deaf schooling approaches. The days parents are forced to send their kids away to some outpost in a field, to emerge as young adults still unable to manage mainstream, is not going to happen any more. We want, indeed demand results. Children deaf are entitled to it. They cannot learn integration and inclusion from a point of isolation, academic or social.
It's OK to be different but pointless being irrational about it, the deaf need the skills to manage inclusion and to compete on a level playing field, activism seems to want the systems to level down to them. They need to realise the old systems that propped up the deaf way have gone, there is no real community base any more. We don't need another generation emerging with a chip on its shoulder blaming others. We need to move on or get left behind.
Tuesday, 22 September 2020
Friday, 18 September 2020
One of a number of charities and individuals, cashing in on poor access for deaf people instead of lobbying the state provision of it as a right. Twitter is heavily involved on ensuring access for the BSLusers via COVID etc, but a glaring omission of the reasons many sign-using deaf have issues with the NHS is conveniently set aside.
E.G. SignHealth and online interpreting company InterpreterNow, have together launched ‘BSL Health Access’ which enables the provision of immediate, on demand access to British Sign Language (BSL) interpreters for communication with Deaf people in health settings free of charge during the current Coronavirus situation.
More than 70,000 Deaf people across the UK use British Sign Language (BSL) to communicate as our first and preferred language, but we know from research that Deaf people’s health is already much poorer than hearing people’s. Deaf people often rely on asking family and friends to interpret for them but they can’t do that with the current social distancing and stay at home policies.
When people wear PPE it makes communication and lip-reading impossible and Deaf people are being left frustrated and isolated. We need to be able to communicate with doctors and nurses now. As a result, SignHealth have teamed up with InterpreterNow to provide a solution, to fill the gaps in BSL interpreter provision in health settings and provide on demand BSL interpreting when it’s really needed.
SignHealth: James Watson-O’Neill, SignHealth Chief Executive, says:
"We are optimistic that NHS England or another government body will pay for this service but in the meantime, SignHealth has agreed to pay for the service so that it can begin immediately. Deaf people cannot wait. “I am proud that SignHealth has agreed to fund this service and look forward to it being funded by the public sector in due course. Deaf people must be able to access healthcare, whether to visit their GP, have a scan during pregnancy or be treated in intensive care for coronavirus. We should all be able to talk to our doctors and nurses, and for them to talk to us.” "
A response to SignHealth on twitter by ATR was attacked strongly when we stated:-
"This makes no sense, why is SignHealth demanding the NHS uses their paid services whilst at the same time refusing to address the reality 63% of ALL BSL-using deaf are not using terps at ALL? Since campaigns run by charities such as the British Deaf Association, The NDCS and even the AOHL accept it is a deaf RIGHT, to allow the use of own family? regardless of bias, neutrality, or the fact 95% of family support have no qualification in British Sign Language, a qualification demanded by others in the system.
At one point they even insisted hearting children of deaf parents were a right and support regardless if underage or lack of knowledge on medical issues or jargon. There are hearing ADULTS who don't follow medical Jargon. Who carries the can when a mistake is made? The NHS? and NOT the fact your hearing relatives misunderstood? Even the BSL interpreter CANNOT be held to account or quoted as a witness to errors. In reality, the Deaf have no protections.
Attempts to 'demote' family help purely as family support, but NOT as sole facilitators was met with anger and cries of discrimination against deaf people. The UK Social Services Dept insist using an underage child as deaf support is a form of abuse. This resulted in the NHS still including General practitioners and clinics/hospitals 'advising' deaf of the right to use own untrained help, be it family or a friend next door, of course, this also meant deaf support was FREE so the NHS and others incurred no costs, so very obviously they support the deaf 'right' also, but not for access reasons!
Both the deaf who insist on family doing the work and the NHS itself contribute by default to a lack of DEMAND for qualified BSL support. The result is less demand for trained BSL interpreters or carers etc. Yet we see SignHealth and others not admitting where the issues really are. This is own goal BY SignHealth and others who want their paid and BSL provision used more widely, they aren't demanding the Deaf do their bit and demand it.
Bank and support of Mum and Dad rules, and this means hearing relatives losing work as well, to be support without payment, and without professional qualification too, you would think the fact your family are the last people you want making your health decisions wouldn't you? or respecting the deaf right to privacy in medical matters. Of course, family want to help, but the best way is to ensure professional support does that. They are making a rod for their own backs and also when they aren't able, then leaving their deaf relatives unsupported. So making things far worse. There are deaf who still have no idea how to ensure they get a BSL terp, in the NHS and elsewhere in systems it is already a legal right, all you have to do is ask for it.
E.G. Just think if you have an issue that is sexually related etc do you really want Mum and Dad there discussing it with your Doctor? They are going to assist in your best interests, erm... maybe not. Do you want them to know even? Is there ANY point these deaf demanding a right to something they are never going to use?"
A campaign to reclaim the pavements for pedestrians bearing in mind issues disabled, the deaf and the blind face. However, SCOPE seems unaware some disabled are abusing others themselves.
SCOPE BLURB: The Government have repeatedly forgotten disabled people during the pandemic. Today, with 30,696 of you, we’re telling the Prime Minister disabled people #WontBeForgotten. Today we deliver our open letter to say the Government must prioritise disability equality, through the pandemic and beyond.
Wednesday, 16 September 2020
Assuming we have:-
(A) A special school to attend.
(B) A means to follow hearing and speech without help.
(C) A family to support me.
(D) A professional sign language Interpreter.
(E) Text to speech support.
(F) I can lip-read unaided.
(G) A trained lip-speaker.
(H) A social set up where I can avoid hearing people.
(I) A language only I and other deaf can use or understand.
(J) Access to welfare benefits to pay for all the support I need and law to ensure it.
(K) Exemptions from restrictions other people are bound with.
(L) Concessions because I am disabled.
(M) That others understand none of the above is actual support but a legal right and empowerment.
(N) I am not expected to learn or acquire the language and grammar my country uses.
Other than that and half a dozen other essentials requirements, no problem.
Monday, 14 September 2020
Friday, 11 September 2020
Thursday, 10 September 2020
Wednesday, 9 September 2020
Tuesday, 8 September 2020
There were no HoH schools no HoH support in classes no HoH social support workers, no lip-reading classes and no sign language classes either e.g. and the deaf were dispensed to schools in the middle of nowhere away from their own families came back strangers to own families. Boys doing manual or woodwork and Girls sewing or something and I wanted into technology.
Yet we can still read he and others opposing it all vehemently, crazy mixed up people! I spent years being aware of the deaf community and it seems more aware than some who claim a status I could never attain. (Nor want, labels are for jars as we all know).
Monday, 7 September 2020
Friday, 4 September 2020
Wednesday, 2 September 2020
What 'arms' these people is poor support in mainstream and they should be lobbying for that to be addressed not pulling deaf children out altogether to attend some institution that ignores the rest of how the UK works, keep 'em in ignorance? Bilingualism is essential. (Which objectors should realise has already empowered THEM). Does BSL even 'travel' in world sign terms? It is people like these posters whom the deaf area needs to isolate, and their simplistic and emotive posts and campaigns are designed to set the deaf back another 25 years. They don't appear to realise either, that deaf have voted with their feet against them anyway. They also insist most caption readers are not deaf anyway, if they weren't why is captioning and subtitles the PRIMARY means we all use to follow? Try removing them and see how much support you get!
#1 deaf education is the domain of deaf adults who have experienced deaf education as children and are best placed to ensure young deaf kids are enabled to succeed. Hearing family/adults shouldn't have a say. I did read the poster, and I object to it.
#2 We've literally NEVER said deaf people *shouldn't* learn English, we just don't want to have to be forced to be bilingual just to survive.
#3 Newsflash: 4 in 5 caption users are not deaf.
# 4 No, deaf education is down to deaf people, not clueless hearing family members.