Saturday, 18 April 2020

Digital flash cards...



These would be highly useful if the NHS is treating those with hearing loss.  You can get cards too.

Face Masks and the HI/Deaf.


The UK is not convinced the masks are all that effective.  The vlogger suggests it is in case we are carriers and unknowing (which means everyone given the lack of testing).  W.H.O. says you need only wear a mask IF you are already showing symptoms as the virus carries via coughing or sneezing droplets. You need surgical-grade masks to be sure, and these are restricted here to medical and care staff and essential services but NOT available to the general public, and not for retail sale either because of world shortages, wearing a scarf is ineffective too.   Sneeze in those and touch anything else you are still a carrier.

There are questions on retail and other staff wearing gloves too, as they don't change them after handling every transaction but keep the same ones on all the time or just change them once a day, which suggests any virus on the gloves is going to be handed out for gratis every time.

Sadly the general face me and speak up advice is unrealistic outside your immediate and known areas, it was before the virus, the general public will have no idea you can lip-read, or to what degree you are in doing that, or how effective it is, even the users don't know, it varies via whom they are trying to lip-read, of course, we would need to tell people first, and the HoH are notorious for hiding their issue.  I don't think raising your voice helps unless you have a viable hearing aid too.   The vlogger promotes hearing aids.

Lip-reading is often used as an 'assist' to the HoH and deaf, NOT as a primary means to follow, but, as another 'clue' to what is being said, the competency of the lip-readers in the UK is near 15% at best.  I don't know what the USA average is but it won't be much better I suspect.  LR is only as effective as your hearing aid use is to you. One may well not be viable without the other.  How effective IS your hearing aid? do you know?

One suggested campaign in the UK was to demand medical staff remove facial masks for HoH and sign users, which would expose them to infection and the medical staff too. NOT going to happen of course.  We are in a different world with this virus which can effectively seek out any flaw that exists, and it can adapt too.  

We have never beaten the virus' they are always ahead of us and research.  We are going to have to find different ways to communicate and that is possible, with technology e.g.  I don't think this is the time to complain about things that would expose ourselves and others to Covid-19.  Face me and speak up no longer applies.

First Doll with hearing loss.

Hard Of Hearing fear for AOHL?

Action on Hearing Loss NI | NICVA#1 Yesterday I received an email from Action on Hearing Loss advising that from 1st May they will no longer be selling “assistive products”.  They will continue to offer advice and information on assistive products but will be concentrating their efforts on other things e.g research, information, advice and support, and campaigning.  They want to do fewer things better.  No doubt many of you will have also received this email but am posting this for those of you who are not members of AOHL.
  
#2 I will miss this service as I have used it several times and found it useful.  Already there were a few things missing when I went online a few days ago and I was unable to find what I’ve ordered before in the HA maintenance section.  I will be interested to hear about other companies/organisations who sell products which are designed to help people with hearing loss.

#3 In January AOHL was having cash-flow issues and decided to sell off its deaf care options to the private sector, I got an email saying assistive devices are being closed too. 

#4  ATR: This is part of the new AOHL they are moving AWAY from deaf support and provisions to concentrate on research and the deaf cure etc. As for campaigning, they won't campaign on a rights platform because they won't challenge the system.  Currently, they cut and paste campaigns from other areas they have none of their own.  It is a timely move as they cannot sell stuff anyway and many other device sales areas are far cheaper than the AOHL they were struggling to compete. 

#5 I gather connevans was shut currently? 

#6 I think AOHL is struggling to survive frankly but they had issues before Xmas last year, they got too big and now having to slash services to ensure they can survive. Membership and funding has nose-dived too. I know certain deaf areas won't support the AOHL anyway and left in droves some years ago over a row about BSL support. 

#7 There are next to no BSL using deaf at AOHL any more, and few HoH either, so it is just the HoH area now AOHL serve, now they have stopped selling them assistive devices one fears the worst. 

#8  It's poor relationship with grassroots HoH and the deaf hasn't made things easier for them nor was offering to use the funding to  pay visa costs for staff from abroad and not hiring UK people. 

#9  The BDA has suffered too with mass resignations of ALL their trustees last year, which they had to replace, amid claims the old guard were bullying and financially incompetent, I don't think the new lot are any different. Dumb and Dumber springs to mind.

#10 ATR: Charity hearing-loss-wise is going to change but it isn't down to the virus it has been coming for a long time. Most are dissolutioned with them, a 19/20thc approach is not relevant in the 21st.  Deaf and others with hearing loss prefer the legal rights approach not the benevolent hand-outs one, where charity awareness is promoted in posh hotels clearly aimed at people who have money to donate to them, or charities hire professional beggars to raise money and thus make beggars of us all.  Equality is a right in law so is the provision to enable, why are we even bothering with Charities and thus cutting our own access throat?

#11  AOHL will have to move to calm fears they are folding, and to clarify just what sort of remit it is operating now, their rebrand was an unmitigated pink disaster that cost them dearly, then they realised removing the R (As IN royal), from their site meant donors would be less willing to donate to them, as the corporate ones only fund the AOHL in the hope of a meet with the queen and get something their money cannot buy, an MBE or similar. 

#12  Yep, the old 'RNID' link stays there too and that is why.  

#13 ATR: They had 4 years where they banned all feedback on their forum from its own members. Under pressure they re-opened it, but then shut them down for good after insisting you can only ask them for feedback privately.  Hardly inclusion was it, their social media has been in 'lockdown' since day one, heavy monitoring to ensure concerns do not get an airing there either.

Friday, 17 April 2020

AOHL: More sell-offs.

Action on Hearing Loss LogoFollowing the January news release AOHL was selling of its deaf care, and taking major decisions to retain its solvency, today we see them selling off more areas, this time assistive devices to the Deaf and Hard Of Hearing.

AOHL to no longer sell assistive products

We regret to inform you that from 1 May 2020, Action on Hearing Loss will no longer be selling assistive products.  We would like to explain the reason for this decision.

Last December, the Charity decided its future strategy and the areas that we plan to focus on over the coming year. We plan to focus on doing fewer things better, so we can have a bigger impact on a larger number of people. As a result, we decided that as there were other organisations selling products the Charity’s most appropriate contribution in this important area of activity should be to provide impartial advice about the best products available to support people with deafness, hearing loss or tinnitus.

This has been a really difficult decision, which we’ve not taken lightly. We understand that assistive products can make a huge difference to people, which is why we will be continuing to offer advice and information to all our beneficiaries about the different products on the market, and where to buy them. This will be available on our website, our social channels and through our Information Line.

Our accessibility solutions from Louder than Words including our hearing loop maintenance and installation system will continue to run, as well as both our interpreter and other communication support services. Training and consultancy services provided for employers, their staff and customers will also continue.

If you have bought something from us recently, the product may be subject to either our 28-day returns guarantee or our one-year warranty. In either case we will continue to fulfil our obligations, as detailed in the terms and conditions relating to our sale of items to you, irrespective of the fact that we will no longer be selling products. Please contact with the manufacturer directly if you experience difficulties with your product outside of our one-year warranty.

The truth the whole truth?

The Whole Truth: Part 2 – A New LifeATR is reading proposals to sue the UK government for lack of BSL interpretation during the coronavirus outbreak.  This is not true it is a campaign that is economical with the truth.  BSL coverage of everything on TV or online is never going to happen.

E.G. Wales had a BSL terp day one and alongside the daily updates from the welsh assembly and still does every day at 12:30pm,  also HERE, so did Scotland, also at day 3 of the lockdown ATR noted  73 BSL videos came out by BSL organisations, individuals and groups updating everyone, and are still coming out.   Any inconsistencies are coming from the rank and file DIY deaf with their own versions.  ONLY use an official source.

Part of the issue is deaf not being aware where that advice is despite SignHealth, the BDA, the AOHL, the RAD etc all putting out this information in BSL.  Charities the campaigners actually claim to support but choose to ignore.  One popular UK blog supports no less than 32 of them, it is unfortunate they don't actually read or keep up with those they claim to support or they would see that BSL advice is already there. 

Another problem was a lot were uncaptioned, so BSL users could not follow what was going on effectively.  Near all who use BSL and follow own media rely on captions for detail, both free UKTV/Online BSL programs use it and offer advice too, are these BSL deaf unable to see them?  Or the 100s that are on youtube and elsewhere?

This is BSL activism trying to capitalise on the outbreak to push their BSL-only messages, irresponsible. Maybe if BSL activism stopped insisting the deaf were illiterate and cannot read and can only follow via sign they too would be more informed than they are. Another example of a distorted rights message being used to block real access in pursuit of culture at the expense of that access.

The nature of the 'Deaf' community is such that they don't tend to refer anywhere else for what they need to know, but even on dedicated BSL sites, numerous BSL information about the virus and events are there daily.  In essence and in part, deaf activism was demanding BSL interpreters risk their health to support them, even to remove safety equipment to lip-read.

There is a coronavirus reality, risk has to be assessed. Terps have families too, they are no use to anyone if they go down with the virus.  For those who complain about lack of face to face interpretation, there are actually online relay options, they have existed for years.. and NHS options, perhaps deaf activism could be more useful highlighting those options are available to deaf and not creating a mountain out of a molehill, we are all in the same boat, 10m HoH are, they aren't complaining.    Get a grip and provide something useful or shut up.

Fair Play!

Retired British Army Captain Tom Moore, 99, raises money for health workers by attempting to walk the length of his garden one hundred times before his 100th birthday this month as the spread of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues, Marston Moretaine, Britain, April 15, 2020. REUTERS/Peter Cziborra

Above is a picture of 'Captain Tom' who has raised currently near £18m for the NHS in the UK who are fighting the virus. But some are concerned JustGiving who manages the campaign for him, is allowed to take a 5% of everything he raises.  

This means they are currently making £90,000 out of our support for Tom's campaign and the NHS.  Let this go viral and ask Justgiving to waive their fees, so our caring NHS who are risking their lives daily to save us, get all of what they deserve.  ATR finds it a real concern charities are hiring such people to raise money because they are too damned lazy to do it themselves.

Wednesday, 15 April 2020

Where is the Deaf Plan B?


Plan B from Outer Space-au
There is Angst on some BSL sites of people saying they should stop using BSL interpreters and make more effort themselves.  Which launched a Deaf tirade at the English language, it's grammar, it's users(!), and anger the deaf culture and language were under attack.  Alternatively.....

I suspect the negativity comes from hearing (And HoH), who see BSL support NOT as empowerment, or a right, but a necessity and needing a life of reliance, supporting the right of BSL terps, but it then follows deaf are, or have, a 'problem' (They can't do anything without that help), and the terp is visual 'proof'.  Two is company, three an issue...

Hence why deaf are angry that reliance was being attacked, that sign alone is little use without it, but you won't see deaf admitting it. A lot still exist away from mainstream almost totally on a social level, so long as they have that they won't understand the access and inclusion things that mean you have to move away from that and into the mainstream area, there is a mental struggle with it and a fear they cannot integrate even with help.   This is totally true of migrants e.g. entering the country for work, they know knowledge of the language widely used is key to their future, and they still retain their own.  They adapt, the Deaf cannot or won't?

There are areas (Mine included the deafened), who feel the root is the insistence on being reliant on a single mode to communicate that needs translation, it's a 'barrier' before you start. I do feel BSL isn't enough. If I had to rely on it, I would be in serious trouble trying to get the help to make it work and I have a voice of my own so prefer to use that not someone else's, so you see other deaf areas do not always see it as simple as the BSL user does. 

We have had to make do as best we can, and without BSL, without interpreters and at the start without a deaf social service, without 888 even. Bitter experience has taught us BSL was not much use at all, there were NO BSL classes, NO Lip-reading classes, NO acceptances by BSL deaf, and no support of course. We will survive without BSL and don't feel there isn't an alternative or other skill we can use.

I would never put rights in the way of my own access that is silly. I wouldn't say NO BSL terps, some would seriously suffer without it, which tends to prove the point.  I would just say deaf need a plan B.  I just think those campaigning AGAINST English are just making their own access even more remote a possibility. When faced with the poor viability of one mode, or that mode just isn't enough,  logic suggests you need an alternative.  We should not make a lifetime of reliance a virtue,  or worse a right of some kind, human nature suggests we don't want that.

We do need to expose the 'smoke and mirrors' of rights lobbies determined to hide the deaf reality and label it something else entirely.  If it quacks it still tends to be a duck.

Why the Hard Of Hearing ceased to exist.


A few sad but realistic exchanges on a hard of hearing site.

I find it very hard and stressful to follow people, and the nod goes at everything, I just cannot follow anything much at all.

They say deaf make the best listeners!

lol yeah, Except when tired or long conversations, where it's just too much hard work.

I suppose the answer is we are using the wrong means to follow and not going for the simplest that would work for us. Lip-reading has to be THE most difficult format we can try to use. Of course, there are no decent lip-speakers even if we were good at it. 

I went text reliant for years and just didn't want the stress of struggling to lip-read people who had their back to me anyway. Hardly any of us have any qualification in lip-reading it's mostly guesswork, isn't it? Our pride is our downfall, well it used to be for me, now I just say I haven't a clue what you are saying and ask them to write things down or try something else. Once we admit our real inability to follow it gets a lot easier. HoH are their own worst enemy.

That's very true my friend, I'm often totally lost, or way behind in the conversation by the time I've figured out what is being said. It's exhausting and demanding, anything you are doing at the time has to be dropped, and full attention on the speaker. It's very frustrating sometimes, especially when trying to watch the TV or read a book.

I've spent half a lifetime suggesting it would be far better if we adopted a communication class set up for us all, I just do not think the lip-reading versus the sign language set up has done a thing to help any of us, I'm appalled they vie against each other. If you take an example of a deaf child, then they try anything and everything to find out what can work. 

Only adults have to choose one or the other, but few if any classes actually are designed to teach them. In a school, there is a common age group as an adult it can be anyone from16 to 90 and across a huge variety of abilities, disabilities,  and hearing loss degree. Quite simply neither modes are fit for purpose, as even the support for them to work isn't extant. We need to cease promotions of A or B approaches as we are neither. each, according to need.

Right, Sadly the whole area of deaf or HoH support is polarised I am pessimistic there will be any unified approach to our issues. The sign user e.g. has made it political, and sign, of course, is now a saleable commodity that provides work, so HoH have no chance to put their needs as they have nothing to 'sell' and nothing to identify themselves either. A few deaf have outdone 10m HoH as a result. I am always saddened the HoH just won't speak up for themselves.

'Text Life'?

Tuesday, 14 April 2020

UK's got the answer to social isolation.



Bored? and up for a challenge?


You are STILL bored?


21 Stupid Challenges.


1. See if you can fit in your fridge.

2. Start talking to people in other stalls at a public toilet. 

3. Get away with playing The Floor Is Lava for the entire day.

4. Get a grocer to sell you one single grape... or go to a drive-through and try to order one French fry.

5. Catch a falling leaf. This is particularly hard if it's not the middle of autumn.

6. Balance the light switch between on and off.

7. Try to lick your elbow.

8. If you can't, take a selfie of yourself trying to lick your elbow.

9. Attempt to play a game on a mobile device using your elbows. Do not do this immediately after licking them.

10. Have a conversation using only song lyrics.

11. Say supercalifragilisticexpialidocious backwards.

12. Say "Irish wristwatch" 5 times fast.

13. Try and drink a bottle of water without using your hands.

14. Eat a whole plate of spaghetti with a spoon.

15. Type your full name with your nose.

16. Get on a bus, stand in the aisle, and don't hold on to anything. See if you can keep your balance without falling over.

17. Go to the mall and try to ride up on the down escalator or down on the up escalator.

18. Try to get from your belly onto your feet without using your hands.

19. Don't say "like" for a whole day.

20. Attempt to eat a taco while looking sexy. Have your friend be the judge.

21. Try to read this list upside down.

Deaf 911

Deaf 911 from Prodigious NY on Vimeo.

Systems have always advocated signed access is too slow and unreliable, and sign does not reach the most with deafness or hearing loss, but these deaf still insist on it.  Their constant demands and criticism of English and its grammar etc have all contributed to their isolation and access issues.  

Their response?  It's all a hearing fault not theirs. Its a case now that their 'right' is so obviously doing them a wrong.  They still believe the world is going to adapt to them when we know this is never going to happen.  Most of us non-reliant on sign language, and able to use alternatives, and deaf also, have found help and access a lot quicker because we are willing to adapt and compromise, but the determination to do neither by these deaf is now making real problems for them.

Effective speech to text and vice-versa will relegate sign language to a novelty.

Monday, 13 April 2020

25 reasons to say no to BSL?

ATR prints a selection of 25 comments on BSL in the UK taken from 4 HoH areas and 19 dedicated online sites over the last 5 weeks, (that it was able to view, not easy with most 'closed' and only open to those with only closed minds it seems).  Some views are obviously dismissive of sign language, deaf areas, deaf culture, and even some respected deaf people, but unless we act adult and address why this happens, the undercurrent of negativity to sign and sign users are going to continue.  

NOTE: ATR will print any responses to what is read here assuming no abuse/hate or such is included.  I don't want a slanging match, too much of that goes on already.

#1 I wouldn't want you to see my response as anti-BSL.  There is so much anger aimed at those who want to see real deaf equality and inclusion, and not just campaigns to make the 'Deaf' isolation cosier, or more acceptable.  

#2 What the proposed BSL act/bill doesn't explain is what they expect to get out of it, and, how?  More BSL in schools? where are the teaching staff? a curriculum? how does it work nationally?  More deaf schools stuck in a field again?

#3 Access, where and how? describe HOW they see access?  Everyone else's responsibility, and not theirs? They expect all hearing will sign? unrealistic.

#4 How does inclusion work? and how do the deaf expect it to? Or is it 'carry on culture' and do your own thing anyway so nothing really changes? They are hamstrung by their own idea of rights.

#5 What type of support are these deaf going to use?  Just BSL? 

#6 They want a form of communication apartheid, don't they? with them at the top of the communication deaf chain. Where is the training set up for this BSL utopian world? It's online bllx mostly, and I expect they want US to pay for it all as usual.

#7 What curriculum are they to follow in education? Adult and child?  Considering how BSL is progressing or rather regressing, how are they justifying it practically?  ATR pointed out Further education is a non-event in the adult deaf world, either in improving their own literacy, or their own signing skills.

#8 How is BSL to be taught? as a communication tool?  as part of a culture?  Currently, culture is their main 'tool' because that carries more kudos and funding than sign does, which near all regional governments and assemblies are highly reluctant to endorse, and half of them have refused already.

#9 Deaf already struggle to find BSL terps let alone anything else!  

#10 We read on deaf sites they demand BSL on films, all TV output etc, which is impossible, the people to provide that sign-wise do not exist and captions will devalue their signing point.  Nobody will watch BSL if captions are there.  Else why are those online refusing to use them?

#11 They demanded NHS staff expose themselves to coronavirus recently so they can lip-read them, then downplayed the importance and use of it.

#12 It's pointless, these and any other such questions and issues people ask the Deaf just get short shrift and they can be ostracised and banned online if they demand answers. Alternatively, we can read unadulterated trivia on 'How to speak to the deaf' '10/15/20 things not to say to them..' No wonder hearing just think let's leave them to it, it's like walking in a minefield even to comment at all, there is a lot of paranoia in the Deaf community.  

#13 This is probably down to a complete lack of confidence they can survive without BSL.  They are screwed before they start, they need more positive examples of the deaf who have succeeded to break that mould.  Their mentors aren't that. More deaf who have integrated and worked OK alongside hearing people.  The deafened have done it, but few BSL people have.

#14 A lot started with the BDA (I know! but they really are to blame for most Deaf issues), are the prime area misleading the deaf and the nation, they make Diane Abbott look like Einstein.  they feel they are the only 'real' deaf and the deaf the only people who use sign language correctly. 

#15 Right!  Years ago they took my membership money then gagged me for 2 years.  I demanded a refund of my fee, I got abuse instead along with threats of legal action for 'discrimination', crazy people.  

#16 Yeah I read that area is the sole one in the UK that has a complete legal gagging clause on its members and its staff?  

#17 That started with St Doug of Alker whom the RNID gagged for 5 years,  who then went to the BDA and did the same to his own members, a deaf person who threw away a real advantage (being the CEO of the UK's largest charity the RNID), because after attaining that position he ignored 80% of its HoH members who promptly voted him out.  All his signers went with him, game, set, and match, to the RNID.  No BSL reps or members at all of any note now.

#18 A legacy of the 'Deaf way'!  Unfortunately, these old farts are still pulling the Deaf campaign strings and adding more gospels to the Deaf bible.  They get MBE's, doctorates etc, etc and demand respect, for services to the silent, but have done nothing at all for the majority of deaf or anything for Hard of Hearing whom they still ignore.  The new crop are savvier and making a killing flogging sign to the highest bidder with them as the sole authority on it.

#19 It is BSL and 'Deaf' people as if, they are the only deaf or only sign users on the planet or the only people who suffer hearing loss and isolation.  

#20 They command support because they are all deaf school old boys/gals, entrenched in these areas and view hearing and others as aliens or something, hence why, inclusion doesn't and cannot work for them, they don't know anything else, they lack experience or the will to get it.

#21 Compromises have to be made by all.  There is no fairness or honesty in campaigns and I would really like to see charities like the AOHL and BDA got rid of, closed and dedicated deaf online sites broken up and the deaf move outward.  existing in a vacuum is bad for your health.

#22 There is only unity in strength, none via being a minority.  A few 1,000 BSL people cannot hope to change the lives of 10m with hearing loss. Don Quixote is alive and well and using sign language.

#23 Inclusion cannot work unless deaf move out of the comfort zone.  It's defeatist to insist they cannot hear, the hearing cannot sign, and 'they don't understand us', quit with the excuses already.  

#24 Young deaf view these people as dated and out of touch, but youth is not challenging the status quo and apathy breeds more apathetics leaving these isolationists a clear run.

#25 Leave them to it, they have to run out of steam at some point.

Sunday, 12 April 2020

Deaf Echo...echo...echo...

Mine - Family Tees – Wear Your Opinion - WYO.inLot's of righteous indignation, criticism of hearing areas that focus on the interpreter and not the client etc  ergo.. 

As for audism DOH!!!!!

'My second point is that deaf professionals who interact with the hearing world deal with variations of the Interpreter Basking In The Spotlight Syndrome all the time.'  

But the reality is Deaf people made 'celebs' of these interpreters online, not hearing people, near all the vids that went viral came from the ASL deaf community, THEY created the focus.

'Mostly, I want to call out non-signing hearing people who behave badly and ask that they consider the effects of their actions. This point is often difficult for non-signing hearing people to comprehend, but it needs to be said. The presence of a signed language interpreter does not give you carte blanche to satisfy your curiosity about sign language, signed language interpreters, and the deaf community. The interpreter is there so that deaf people and hearing people can interact — not so that hearing people can interact with the interpreter socially.'

There are so many errors here it is difficult to know where to start correcting them.  The poster seems rather protective and jealous of others interacting with their support.  Probably because after the terp has done its job there is a freedom of interactions seen hearing on hearing deaf can never attain.

Non-signers are not necessarily HEARING people as statistically most deaf are not signing people. As per the usual ASL area always ignores other deaf people and their needs or Hard of Hearing ones, so just another exercise in me, me, me.  

As regards to hearing interacting with OTHER hearing who happen to be sign translators, deaf say they cannot do this? Not even in their own time?  But the deaf themselves always have.  I've yet to see a deaf person addressing directly a hearing person with a terp there, always, the deaf are concentrating on the terp, and the translation, and expecting the TERP to respond, maybe because they have no useful voice or similar or as we know, find it easier to let the terp do it, that is a DEAF failing and/or the reality.  Deaf? know yourself.

The poster goes on to get irate when hearing ask the terp on their breaks about sign language, so deaf don't want awareness raised?   There IS an issue there in that interpreters could use that time to include the deaf person socially as well, and not just translate the main event, not least because the deaf person can then feel sidelined.  Terps should lead by example.  However, this writer suggests the terp should not even be doing that and concentrating on them alone.

The final point well made but out of complete context is 'Talk to us, not the terp'!  We can all agree with that, but please, tell the deaf client to do likewise.  

The nature of signed communication is deaf need to watch the person using it, it isn't rocket science, and most hearing see the deaf referring to that, via not watching them at all when they speak, but the translator, so the natural hearing response is to assume as that hearing person does not sign the translator is THE person to interact with.  

Deaf by the main do not know HOW to effectively utilise the support they get to direct the terp in not only how best they can follow things but the bigger picture of inclusion and interaction with hearing themselves.  This also requires deaf to attempt it.

I am confident it is not a  deliberate or conscious attempt to ignore the deaf person, there is a lot more going on with a terp the deaf seem unaware of.  Of course like the deaf themselves 'like will gravitate to like', hearing are not alone in doing this and hearing can be completely ignored in a deaf signing situation where most are signers, is that not unacceptable either? or, is that the fabled 'deaf space' and 'right' which is the sacred cow of deaf culture?  Do as we ask, not what we do, because we are deaf you aren't?

The problem with many deaf who rely on signed interpretation is they are then in a hearing environment, NOT a deaf one, and adapting and compromising is part of the deal.  There are no hard and fast rules. Deaf cannot tell their support what they can and cannot do in their own time.  When hearing interacts with an interpreter it is a natural curiosity to ask questions, we should be welcoming that interest, take the opportunity ourselves to get involved.  

Unfortunately, the Deaf Echo blog is yet another one on the conveyor belt heading for martyrdom and beyond, convinced everyone is against them and deaf know best when all the evidence seems to suggest not. 

The end product of communication is when sign is an effective stand-alone tool that really frees up the deaf to communicate with everyone, but.... the terp is the 'barrier' the '3rd party' isn't it?  One neglects to suggest 'the elephant in the room' but. 

The initial/first thing a hearing person is seeing is ANOTHER hearing person acting for them. They are not 'talking' just to a deaf person, and they do NOT know how much the deaf are using a terp trying to understand them, to what degree? as all have to rely on the terp.  

I am not aware how Americans use their terps but usually, they get booked here in the UK and turn up often in time for a meeting and often with no prior knowledge of the deaf client or his or her academic skills or needs via sign, the first 15 minutes are terps trying to find out by own assessment (Unless the terp is already well known to the client).  That is when the terp skills really come into play, via that initial assessment on the spot.

Any 'delays' by which terps have to ensure a client is following also add to the negativity, it should be a rule (But isn't), terps must have the time to assess the clients abilities before the start and to ensure as far as is possible the client has most of what they need when they turn up. Fewer confusions mean more positivity of the image and person etc.  A terp turning up late a deaf person hasn't worked with before is a real problem.

There is clear evidence in areas like employment e.g. utilising a 3rd party is a huge negative to an employer, the 'image' itself is negatively seen.  There is no real way around that except.

(A)  The deaf lip-read instead. 

(B) They can hear enough.

(C) All hearing sign to them.

(D) The deaf can display they can manage by themselves independently.

All 4 alternatives are being opposed at differing levels via cultural and rights demand.  As Mr Shakespere once said 'The lady doth protest too much, methinks" (Hamlet).  The deaf community seems to never run out of people forever complaining instead of addressing it.  Which they expect everyone but them to do.