Or even Live Transcribe developed by deaf in Gallaudet.
Thursday, 23 July 2020
Tuesday, 21 July 2020
They are still at it, when exposed for quoting 50yr old issues, they move goalpost to under 3 years of age to challenge the perception we deaf from years ago got a lot more support than they do. In fact, suggest support is worse... This is 2020, it isn't 1950, or even 1888.
#1 I agree there is a difference between born deaf at birth to going deaf afterwards, but how many here are in that category? or have the same experiences of years ago? we have CI's, better hearing aids, and more focused education, as well as more inclusion now. I should be so deprived! Why make a big deal of it with OTHER deaf people? it looks like they treat us as second-class deafies. It's hardly a privilege to struggle is it?
#2 I get this all the time 'you don't understand deaf' not even deaf in the same position as me, is there some 'pecking order' on who is 'really deaf' and who isn't?
#3 I am profoundly deaf in both ears have been longer than some posters here have been alive, I can sign and have a born deaf partner, to be told I'm not really deaf is ridiculous. I am not surprised they are isolated with that attitude. I don't really feel empathy with such people telling me how deaf I am supposed to be, how long, or even how I communicate, I thought the idea was to widen horizons for the deaf not improving them in some false sort of community ethos that ONLY functions if you have no ambition to include yourself? I'll pass!
#4 It's a shame really there are a lot of deaf already out there and included, and adapting, who could really help those struggling, they are frozen out by misguided deaf who believe only they matter, as they born with the silver spoon of deafness at birth, and attended schools in some field somewhere. They celebrate that?
#5 This is online so is not on the street, and there they don't count with their negativity and strange views, so feeding their own isolation really and trying to make a virtue of it by blaming others, the penny is dropping and the system is more challenging them now. As are other deaf.
#6 They are pissing me off! This is 2020 and I can recall when 888 (TV access), wasn't available, the net wasn't around, we didn't have access to a phone, there were no BSL or lip-reading classes, no support to find work, when social workers ran deaf lives and read their mail, and deaf schools waged constant abuse on deaf children with impunity, jobs for the deaf were just two, men worked at labouring/woodwork, and females did sewing, mostly they got pregnant early and didn't work at all and got abused by their partners they were also from the 'good old days in a deaf school' background, which it wasn't for any of them. Even their religious support abused them.
#7 I have to laugh when I see deaf 'concerns' now, they don't know they are born. It's deaf of my time that went out and did things, not did youtube and rambled online about things they never experienced themselves by quoting other people's hard lives.
#8 Nobody here can tell me what I know and don't, or who I am supposed to be. It is sad we have to patronise these deaf and feel sorry for them, but they cannot keep telling others what to do, who they are, and how to live and communicate, nor tell systems lies either. I suggest they look up deprivation in the dictionary.
#9 It is a hard-core of well educated deaf monopolising things for personal gain it seems to me, running awareness campaigns that isn't etc and advising people to provide things we never use. They get well subsidised and supported for it too. I've lost count how many pointless access campaigns they run. There must be a conveyor belt going somewhere. 'Who do we say discriminates against us this week?' etc. What IS discrimination? seems to be an issue, either that or everything is. I'm sure breathing will be at some point.
#10 I agree. The whole concept of demanding access and support for the deaf is based on non-inclusion, since if they are included their jobs aren't there. They have apparently 342 focus groups. all doing the same thing, complaining! Those who advocate some glorious cultural isolation and non-access don't do it themselves, its jobs for the deaf purists. They just manipulate the deaf vulnerable that's all and create more martyrs for a cause most of us don't support. It's the era of fake news, memes, and hashtags.
#11 They cannot name a single cultural lobbyist who has not been well taught in English and supported to do what they want. Others wouldn't have the wherewithal to blur the truth. Paddy Ladd included, who was at University, to suggest HE and others like him are hard done by is ridiculous too. I suspect even he wasn't old enough to remember Milan either.
#12 They advise others not to do as they do, but as they say. The recent COVID epidemic has smashed down all their demands and exposed their duality of purpose, you cannot challenge a virus, by saying it is unfair.
#13 They went on to endorse 'Sign matters' and 'Deaf matter', didn't they? and BAME deaf tend to do their own thing and segregate. I don't think INCLUSION really matters to them frankly.
#14 Like I said its personal GAIN driving these people. Whose interest do they really have at heart? You challenge them they revert to personal attack or respond in sign and refuse to caption, or ban etc, it is designed to frustrate and re-enforce deaf isolation, show you they are right and who is boss, and the 'Deaf way' whatever that is, by spreading fear and loathing instead.
#15 We should be isolating those people. To be told by privileged deaf who have never gone without how it was when they were never there, defies belief. 9 out of 10 of them would panic if their phone battery died, get real! Better still get some experience before sounding off on what we all want and need.
#16 but for areas like ATR/Reddit etc I doubt most of these comments would ever see an airing. A truth lockdown has been a deaf norm for some time, and non-censored deaf sites are a rarity. They claim it is to prevent deaf abuse then use it to abuse others themselves and snipe and undermine from closed site safety. They just cannot validate in the open forums so avoid or criticise them.
Posted by MM at Tuesday, July 21, 2020
Monday, 20 July 2020
Perhaps post COVID, the realisation all we did before was pointless and not helping the deaf or anyone else with hearing loss?
So many pointless campaigns emerged that were/are based on hysterics, emotion and in defiance of fact, or truth.
We demanded clear masks for others (But not us), insistence on 'all deaf lip-read', which was also untrue, (And will revert again afterwards to 'all deaf sign' etc), even claims deaf were denied COVID signed access when the signed visible proof was on the TV screens twice daily, and online 24/7.
Of course, the deaf activist, ever struggling to rally around any cause in a stormy teacup, were not going to let proof or fact, spoil a great campaign, and started challenging the sign used, and the grammar used by their own interpreters, even claimed most deaf were not online. They said captioning/subtitling was no use either, because the deaf struggled to read.
This, of course, is not our experience is it?
Not content with that, refused to take their own dedicated and freely subsidised BSL televised media and charities to task, for sitting on their behinds, even ignoring their own signing support for (quite rightly), refusing to turn up face to face not wearing a mask, just another ridiculous demand these people started making.
Endless links/blogs etc BY some deaf areas online to explain in signed detail were just blanked as the activists continued to insist there was none for the deaf. Tech apps like speech to text weren't good enough either, it is not clear what the demand actually is, but the text is an attack on the sign too of course. Leading hearing loss charities joined in the reluctance to inform and blamed hearing mainstream for access they had ignored too, despite their largest one deciding deaf care was too much of an expense and bother to continue with, because nobody knows what that is supposed to be.
They too blanked updates and refused links proving the case. Selective listening and selective deafness too. They really were only 'deaf when they wanted to be.' When taken to task switched to 'Deaf don't want English or to use text technology, they have own grammar and sign and...', you get the gist, any positive, they can find 20 negatives to 'prove' that black is white, or indeed any colour they choose. There was hostility to further education claiming (Quite wrongly), deaf people had no access to literacy lessons, but when sent links of where they were or offered support to demand it, then claimed it was an attack on BSL and its grammar.
It was pointed out BSL and its grammar was/is still an untested tuitional format, had no curriculum, and had no trained educational staff, to make it educationally happen, it ignored the state or parental options too, just sign language 'lessons' that actively discouraged speech use in case it 'offended' deaf people, however it failed to respond when it was pointed out that lip-reading access campaigns would never be viable if people didn't talk, and clear or no masks wouldn't help many sign reliant deaf, there was nil 'demand' for clear SPEAKING either, so all is clear as mud.
There were claims BSL is a real source of learning for the deaf via enabling bilingualism, (to enable English literacy), but then that got opposition too, as they insisted they had a right to sole BSL use, and deaf who acquired sign use then tended never to improve that English ability or use it to access more literacy either. The sign became an end in itself, so the current basis of deaf learning is unable to enable deaf inclusion, the deaf wouldn't acquire the 'tools' to do it, it relied on all hearing signing or all deaf with a translator and some sort of 'back to the future' system of deaf schools again which is non-viable.
Not just non-viable but, unwanted by areas of deaf because they abused deaf people. Now they say teaching deaf English is abuse too. The lip-reading issue is still contentional there is never any detail of its use or effectiveness with deaf signers. Indeed lip-reading par se is suspected of massive issues with its classwork and nil proof any adult deaf ever attending such a class. Either they were all excellent lip-readers already, or as suspected, had chosen sign instead. If they are e.g. excellent lip-readers then why the objection to its tuition in deaf education?
Of course, that is oralism isn't it, something else they don't like. Poor signers don't attend better BSL skill classes either, apparently, they are all excellent signers (which isn't true either). Of course, the activists came out with suggesting literacy lessons for deaf struggling to follow is patronising and an attack on deaf culture and its people as well. People deaf 50 years were told they really weren't unless they attended a deaf school, which they also claimed didn't actually work for them, so why defend them? They are well out of it on that basis. They are using a system that is 60 years old, unwanted, opposed, and no longer exists.
If COVID has done anything it has exposed the myths, lies, confusion that has come out via 'Deaf Awareness', and the distortion of truth in pursuit of a system as yet undefined and unable to operate, one that confines deaf people more and makes them more reliant on support than they are now. Mitigated as a right.
The UK will never adopt another 'Gallaudet' here, if that is the aim, we learnt the lessons from the failure of the USA version where students ran riot, vandalism and deaf bullying was a norm and teaching staff running scared of witchhunts by misguided ASL promotors, even the hard of hearing students ran the gauntlet. There seems to be a lesson here in not encouraging all deaf together this way? It gives these activists a breeding ground for dissent which they obviously control. Deaf have never been so misinformed.
The only upside is these dodos are getting fewer and fewer, but the fact remains they still have too many listening to them, including politicians and supportive charities (for obvious reasons, it's their livelihood). Who knows? perhaps the Emporer IS wearing clothes?
Posted by MM at Monday, July 20, 2020